Life Lessons: Don’t Judge

Been a while since I posted a serious one of these. The following topic was one I felt was not necessary to discuss, especially not around here because (for the most part) I consider this blog a welcoming one. Unfortunately recent events revolving around one anime in particular brought out some…unpopular opinions.

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So Netsuzou Trap. Quite the controversial series in the Yuri Nation to say the least. For readers who are on the fence on checking the show out, know this: It is not a show meant for viewers who like their yuri pure, clean, devoid of sensitive subjects or centered around girls/women. I will go into more detail when I review the sucker but suffice to say it is not for everyone.

Here is the thing. I will avoid mentioning names but base arguments on what I have seen and heard on the internet. As mentioned in the introduction NTR is a controversial show that brought out some unpopular opinions that go beyond “this show sucks”. The first batch of comments online do not deserve to be called opinions, more like insults. Put simply, there were people online throughout NTR’s televised broadcast that insulted others who enjoyed the show for what it was: a show about “cheaters” when really the cheating is more of a plot device than the central focus. How does that make any sense? Certain people dislike the show, fine. It is not for everyone. But to sit behind a monitor/phone and type demeaning comments to people who do enjoy the show is too much. Just because people like the show does not mean they condone “cheating”. The show is a “twisted hot mess” of a drama with a Telenovela-esque plot or something seen on The Lifetime Television network or possibly the Hallmark Channel, except this one does not have evil/vindictive relatives. Again more on this when I review the show.

Yuma and Hotaru Sexy Cat Maids

Next up is another little tidbit I did not expect to see around here, bringing up discriminatory opinions. During this writing I have been blogging for over six years I never felt a need to bring this up because fans and visitors who frequent the blog are polite and respectable of others, occasionally lashing out in fury against an episode or show that upset them but not against fellow commenters. Then NTR happened and suddenly some came out and said people with certain sexual preferences are either weird or disgusting. Whether it was or was not intentionally meant to belittle a group who are attracted to one or more sexes it still comes off as discriminatory and that kind of talk is not welcome around here. Now it is no secret that I am not the most polite person on the planet and at times have got riled up over disagreements about media I digest (be it anime, wrestling, games etc.) but never would I go as far as insulting someone for their media or personal preferences. I have no right to judge someone for their tastes. As long as they are not engaging in any criminal conduct then there is no reason to ridicule other people, unintentional or otherwise. I learned the hard way that a person always needs to be careful about what they say. If a person messed up then apologize…or at the very least keep all discriminatory opinions to one’s self lest the intent is to cause trouble…then you’re on your own.

Point is, be it on this blog or anywhere else, do not judge, discriminate or ridicule other people for what they like. Every single person on this planet has an opinion. Some will agree with you, some will not. Some will like the show you enjoy just as much, others will hate it or not think as much of it. The same goes for a person’s personal preference. That is life. #DealWithIt!

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60 Responses to Life Lessons: Don’t Judge

  1. Grace says:

    Wow! Well said. I agree with ypu completely. People in the holebi comunity get discriminated enough on the normal streets already. As for NTR I am against cheating, but there is more to this story. One is being used and the other is confused and messed up about it. They are in search for who they are, yes that is difficult and it can be really messed up. Sometimes it just happens, not everyone decides to do these things.

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  2. Ivn says:

    Its good to have an opinion and all, and also its true that in no way we can make everyone happy and most people would not agree with our point of view, interests, etc. However we should learn where and when to draw a line and shut our mouths or stop our fingers, like in this case.

    In the end I think most people dont really care about our opinions, even less if it doesnt contribute to our growth/improvement. Its useless to do these kind of comments. But oh well some people still dont get this.

    About the cheating thing, its just a show, you see this kind of things in movies, dramas, even real life. If you dont like where the show is heading just drop it, if you like it then keep going.

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  3. yukkaonna says:

    Well, i absolutely dislike NTR (not only for “cheating is norm” thing (hey, i even never said that people, who like this show, also like cheating – it’s stupid)) because of my own opinion and rights etc, but i really against those, who insulting other people about NTR and how this thing is the worst. Well, i against those, who did it just on purpose and in forums, where funs of this show siting and chating, but, i’m not aganst those people, who just discuss their opinion with others, even if it’s a oposite point of view.
    And seriously, i absolutely dislike yours (in this site) “stupididiot” meme, because for me in this show exist only one real stupid idiot – Hotaru. But you ever see me in your blogs about NTR how i said this? No. Why? Because i respect your and your readers opinion and don’t see a reason to say this thing. So, thats why i very agree with you here about this.

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    • mihomaho says:

      Obviously people who get triggered by the show their opinions/insults are not objective and really just want to prove the show is suck.
      I admit dislike this show because there are boys. I think majority think boys is the main problem with cheathing maybe second.

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  4. qorl says:

    Huh, commenters were suggesting that people who like this show condone cheating in relationships? Well that’s just silly. I would probably hate this show if I watched it but I try to be non-judgmental. Still, I have my limits. A show like this is definitely not there, but if someone, say, likes rape hentai I’m gonna judge the fuck out of them.

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  5. philipbaxton says:

    One of the biggest issues gay people have is coming to terms that they’re gay. Most of them date people of the opposite gender just to convince themselves they aren’t gay. I think that’s what’s happening here. We have two girls trying to suppress their feelings and be something they’re not. Why would people bash others for liking a realistic plot like that when there’s real people going through that.

    I think the main problem as to why everyone is mad is how the author goes about this. For one she hasn’t made the main two girls we should be rooting for likable. The characters just say and do the same thing in every chapter/episode. The author has also failed at providing much romantic moments between Yuma and Hotaru so that we do want to see them together. The reader never gets the feeling of truly wanting to see them together. You want to since it’s yuri but when then you think what have they done together to make me care when they finally do.

    Another problem is that the anime plays up too much with the negative sides of the girls. It feels like the anime wants the story to be about the cheating and wants you to feel bad for only Takeda. It’s like it wants us to feel bad for the guy more than wanting to see the girls get together. I think if it focused more with Yuma coming to terms that she was gay and leaving Takeda with them just being friends there would’ve been less backlash.

    For me it’s a great idea and premise not seen to much in yuri but it’s not executed all that well with it’s poor characters and repetitive story. When the author comes out and says the fan favorite character is Takeda something is wrong. That’s just my personal opinion of the anime/manga.

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    • qorl says:

      ” a realistic plot like that when there’s real people going through that.” That’s sort of the type of thinking that got us Class S manga and bad ends. Is that good though?

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    • cirno9fan says:

      i gotta say, i disagree with the Takeda thing. I feel like the anime’s doing less of a job making people feel sorry for him. Honestly, I felt sorry for the guy pretty genuinely when reading the manga. But it just feels way differnet in the anime, to the point I find it amusing how badly he’s getting screwed.

      I also think the anime is not showing their “bad” side as everyone is saying. I’m lost how it’s done that. The entire time (well, since after the first couple of episodes) it’s been all about how Hotaru wants Yuma, Yuma doesn’t want Takeda but tries to, Fujiwara is a jerk, and then Yuma slowly starting to realize that she has a feeling for Hotaru but not really understanding what it is.

      I don’t get the huge reaction to what Yuma did. She was a closeted yandere. I actually kinda figured this was the case, as there are tons of hints towards it. She only got a boyfriend because Hotaru did, and she subconsciously was trying to get Hotaru jealous. She didn’t understand this was her actual goal, but it was the real goal. Unfortunately, the plan kept on backfiring. Mostly because she didn’t know what she was doing, fully due to her not knowing what she was feeling.

      This whole “I won’t let her leave me” thing is not as detrimental as you’re taking it. it’s just she knows there’s something about Hotaru that’s more important than anything else. Sill doesn’t get it, but knows there’s something there now. Some serious progress has been made. Finally, I think this is also Yuma’s way of saying she wants to protect Hotaru. I didn’t at all take it as Yuma saying “you will be my slave for life!” /etc. She’s just not wanting Hotaru to be in pain anymore, and the wording was more because she herself doesn’t understand what that feeling is yet. Recall that Yuma is a very very confused teenaged girl.

      All the while, Hotaru had her own (horribly backfiring) plan of making Yuma jealous. But Hotaru isn’t as courageous as Yuma. She’s a lot more timid. She puts up this really daring and confident front, but in reality she’s terrified. Terrified of many things. She’s been through way more than Yuma, so yeah, she’s got more of a “battlworn” sort of personality, and takes the initiative more. but she always pulls out before things can get serious. Has anyone else noticed this? Yuma hasn’t stopped Hotaru, the majority of the time Hotaru stops Hotaru (and sometimes Yuma really). Because she’s been afraid of being rejected and called out for the “unnatural” person she is. (not saying anything to that effect is true, just this is likely the way she feels others would look at her). I don’t know how much this will change, now that Hotaru is starting to finally notice that Yuma might actually return her feelings, but I suspect it will change things in ways.

      Anyway, a lot of my spectulation is based ont he anime, as I am not caught up in the manga, and don’t remember much specfically about it, just how it made me feel when I read it. So, manga readers may have a different outlook on those things.

      So yeah, I don’t get why people think these characters are so “bad”. Fujiwara for 100%, Takeda might start going the route of a full on antagonist, but maintains the “victim” status…for now 😀 But the two mains are very likable and each have pretty interesting stories to tell. Though I do agree that Yuma is not actually the “stupid idiot”, and Hotaru is the true one who makes bad choices constantly. Including doing everything she can to make happiness an impossible dream for her.

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  6. cirno9fan says:

    I don’t know what people are saying, but I apologize to anyone for the times I’ve said things like “go jump in a river” when they ship certain characters together. It’s up to you to like what you like.

    Moving on, the point of the show is to stop the NTR. What people are calling NTR, is actually fixing what was already NTR. Yuma and Hotaru liked each other. Yuma started ignoring Hotaru for other girls, Hotaru felt NTR’d (rightfully so). So, she starting getting boyfriends. This got Yuma to feel the NTR, so she got a boyfriend eventaully, thus creating a double NTR between two girls. This show is all about fixing that, getting rid of the cheating! So you cannot be a supporter of cheating and cheer for Hotaru/Yuma. They are only working towards stopping the cheating 🙂

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  7. YayaSamuko says:

    Well… We can’t always get everything we like. Reality is harsh; dreams are only dreams after all. True enough, the number of straight and bisexual people are far greater than our favorite subject to discuss/watch but as someone once said, “C’est la vie!”

    I will be honest, NTR is not for me. I get that people want to watch it but I guess I will just stay away from that one. I have a weak mental health so I’m scared of the consequences.

    Well said though! We all try to act polite on the net but we all have a breaking point. In that case, I will be really honest, I was among the people who did flame the show on several reviews here and on other sites because I was thinking this show was giving non-yuri fan a worse image of us. As I’ve already mentioned, I got in a huge problem from making my sister watch this.

    “Hot mess”? I guess it’s not just my taste. I can stand lot of drama but better know your limit. The Harmony incident has already left is traumatized enough.

    Now, I’ve said enough. As to conclude, I will end with a happy note; I am very glad about hearing about that Kase-san thing. Haven’t read the manga but it look really promising. At least, we all hope that 2018 will be a better year.

    On side note, have you already played Fire Emblem Fates? I heard there are some yuri elements in that one (it is even possible to marry the female avatar to a female character). If yes, would you be kind enough and talk about that one. A friend of mine is looking for a proper review but since I haven’t played it yet.

    Overall, nice job as usual! I’m so glad I subscribed to this site. Please remain awesome and have a yurilicious day.

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  8. kracen says:

    I dislike this anime… I wont hate on people that like it, but if you are somebody who wants more Yuri anime, then I question your reasoning for liking it…

    Allow me to explain… As we are all aware here, people who don’t look at the finer points of Yuri as a genre only think of Yuri as a hentai genre… Many times when I explain my anime tastes they just ask if I mean lesbian hentai, and I’m sure we’ve all had the exact same scenario play out at least once.

    Yuri as a respectable genre is already on a tough hill to climb in order to establish itself as a legitimate genre and not just as fetish fuel…. That is why I hate this show… Because that is what it will present itself as to the audience who don’t usually watch Yuri focus’d shows (And quite frankly in this case they’d be right), they will see this and think its just something to get off to and will judge other Yuri anime the same way. Then we will either get trashier and trashier shows that try to appeal to the perverted audience instead of the shows we actually want which shows legitimate girl love stories.
    Getting Kase-san is a blessing, as it is the type of manga that needed to get the attention of the anime scene, not this trash.

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    • Okami says:

      I fully agree with your point, witch exception of first sentence.
      Anime as a whole is already seen by many as noting more then a fetish or mainly as fetish, genres like Shoujo-AI/Shounen-AI even more so. I mean we even use Yuri term to refer to all GxG anime even if original meaning of yuri (as a genre) is just lesbian hentai and term for GxG romance genre is/was Shoujo-AI. Around internet the most vocal people are usually exotically the type who seem to watch anime mainly as something to get off on and this makes that kinda of stuff increase in anime. So I am very happy to see this anime getting the hate, as I find it that other side of fandom has been too quiet too long. I mean even this blog post is fully one-sided and there is no even mention of reverse cases witch in anime fandom in general are far more often. I hope this brings a bigger division between fandom and makes the other side more vocal. So I really see this hate as a positive thing.

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      • cirno9fan says:

        Original meaning of “yuri” was always just “girls love” in general. it was the Western fandom which warped the meaning into something so specific. “Shoujo Ai” = Young girls love. So, we’re actually getting things to the right place now, rather than looking like “Stupid Foreigners”

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      • Okami says:

        cirno9fan That might be so in Japanese general culture, but in otaku culture those terms had always been used as I have said, and that is what meters. Therefore we are using those terms wrong.

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    • YayaSamuko says:

      Well said! I totally agree with that. The little good image we had from least year has vanished because of this show. Our image is being slowly destroyed.

      What they don’t know is that by airing such awful anime, it will only make people think that yuri genre is immature, amoral and just plain porn. I hate that.

      I say we need realistic drama but anime about cheating is destroying our fandom.

      Yuri is a divine genre, started by Uthena and co., followed by Strawberry Panic and Maria-sama ga Miteru and Aoi Hana. I sometimes wonder if it didn’t become a bait just to sell more to the pervert audience. Compare ancient yuri anime to the actual. Strawberry Panic, MariMite, Aoi Hana, Simoun, Blue Drop and co. They were awesome and so pure while portraying the real life dram. Compared to that, Sakura Trick, Seven deadly sins, Queen’s blade, NTR and co. are just…ecchi shoes that someday will destroy our fandom.

      And yes; I am also hyped for the Kase-san release. Hopefully it will be better than the anime that aired this year.

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    • cirno9fan says:

      Did you not watch the Kase san clip? It had plenty of ecchi ._.

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    • cirno9fan says:

      What about NTR makes it “illegitimate” as a Girls Love story? I’d say it makes a lot of sense, everything that happens. They’re both heavily being influenced by modern society. One of them knows for sure she likes girls, Yuma especially, and wants a relationship, but believes that Yuma is straight. Add on top of this that Hotaru has a lot of sexual tension. Yeah, she’s had sex with guys, but that’s always been nothing more than “going through the motions”. She’s not enjoyed it, as we have seen in many cases. Yuma equally has this sexual tension, maybe moreso because she’s never been able to let it out even in a way she didn’t enjoy.

      But unlike Hotaru, she doesn’t get it. She doesn’t know what she wants. She only knows what everyone around her (including Hotaru, as I have stated before) says she should want. So she tries to want it. But she can’t. She doesn’t see Takeda as a bad person, even sees some fun with him, but it’s not what she wants. It’s nothing like the things she’s experienced with Hotaru. And she doesn’t get it. Why should her “practice” with a friend feel so different and exciting than actual interactions with her boyfriend? All her friends say how good it is/should be. But it’s not working out how it should. And that causes all sorts of confusion in Yuma. And there’s way more to it, but I want to do mor ewith my time before work than just typing up responses to defend NTR (which, actually, while the name is OBVSIOUSLY a play on “netorare”, in reality it stands for “Netsuzou trap” which translates to “honey trap”).

      So, no, I do not believe this is illegitimate in any way. I will not argue how “good” it is, as that’s all up to taste. But saying it’s not legitimate because it’s about two sexually charged teenage girls who are trying to figure things out while being confused by modern day Japanese society…is unfortunate. If we want yuri to grow, we can’t be stifling stuff. The “good” and the “Bad” need their chances.

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      • kracen says:

        You seem to have missed the point of my response entirely… I never said this is illegitimate, so let me reiterate.

        Everyone of us who calls ourselves Yuri fans men and women, who have explained this enjoyment of Yuri to someone who is not a Yuri fan has had to explain that we do not mean it in a perverted way and then have to explain what exactly Yuri can actually is as a genre in anime.
        Yuri as a core feature… as legitimate canon girl x girl feature on shows as the main premise is extremely rare to the point you can count on one hand the number of anime which have it as the core story line.
        This is because Yuri, to a layman is seen nothing more than a perversion genre, a plot device to titillate the audience and to bring in viewers because gay girls.
        Shows like this, do not help that image, in fact it only solidifies it.

        My problem with this show, is not because I don’t think it is Yuri, it most definitely is, its not because it involves cheating…. Well, I don’t like that but it is not the reason I hate this show… I hate this show because it gives Yuri a worse name than it already has in the public eye.

        Yay we get more Yuri… but at what cost? Taking back all the steps we’ve made forward to be seen as a genre that is to be respected and has potential…
        If we want more Yuri anime, this is not the manga which should have been rooted for, we need Citrus, Kase-san, Girlfriends, Bloom into You, Ouji-sama Nante Iranai, More Than Friends?… I could go on…

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      • cirno9fan says:

        something that looks seriously into a relationship between two girls in modern day Japan is something we don’t need???

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      • kracen says:

        If you decide to ignore everything I write and the contents of the show then so be it, it is not worth discussing further.

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      • YayaSamuko says:

        Two stupid girl who have sex with anything that moves? Are you serious, mate? That was the trigger to dig our own grave. Do you know what makes Yuri great? It’s the virginity of the girls. If they have sex with guys for whatever they have as a reason, it would be an insult to even call their relationship a moral one.

        To be honest, I’m both fed up and verg sad that another fellow Yuri fan has written such comment. I won’t even be surprised if in two years, Yuri will just become a sub-genre of hentai and netotare or girls already broken, sexed by lot of male who seek something with other girls.

        No. That is not the Yuri we need. That’s not even worth being called “Yuri”. It’s an insult to the LGBT people. Yes, I mean it. That anime is only making the image of us member of the LGBT worse than before.

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      • cirno9fan says:

        Yuma is a virgin. She’s not had sex with anyone ._. And the one time Takeda really wanted it, she pulled out, realizing it wasn’t something she wanted to do.

        Hotaru…it’s a complicated situation. But she’s not doing it because she wants.

        You have a very interesting way of viewing things.

        I am not the yuri fan who would push things in that direction. I mean, I’m one of the biggest supporters of Yuzumori getting animated, and I have been importing yuri manga/games/LNs. Actually directly supporting the effort in the country where the money flow needs to go to make any change in the anime/manga/etc scene

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      • kracen says:

        I wouldn’t go as far as to say to that virginity is the main focus of Yuri, in fact I would say that it is entirely irrelevant.
        What I will say is that Yuri needs to be girl x girl focused in its entirety with no male interference… Far too often do we see harem crap where the girls accept each other and act some form of Yuri towards each other but all for the sake of the guy… Which entirely defeats the purpose.

        Yuri… At least for now, needs to stay down the road of a pure romance relationship development focus of girl x girl until it can be seen as a genre separate from a perversion and that is all this show does…
        We as a Yuri fandom community, the Yuri Nation, we are capable of seeing beyond this, because we know the genre better than the layman, but it is the layman which decides what manga will be adapted for anime, not us… We need them on our side, not perpetuating this genre as a fetish.

        As for the feelings of the LGBT community… I couldn’t care less about the opinions of the perpetually offended. Unless its people who are actively stringing you up or throwing you off buildings, most people don’t care what you do in your bed… Something the LGBT community seem incapable of understanding.

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      • cirno9fan says:

        I would say moreso we need shows where there are legitimate male love interests, but the girls still choose each other. Isn’t that one of the biggest ways to show that yuri “wins”? This is not “harem”. The girls are not going to choose the guy.

        Hotaru is only with Fujiwara because 1. she’s trying to protect Yuma from him 2. She’s trying to protect Yuma from herself.

        Takeda is already nothing more than an afterthought to Yuma; the last thing on her mind practically

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      • Okami says:

        cirno9fan Actually more of real world crap is exactly what we don’t need in Anime in general not just in Shoujo-AI(Yuri) genre.

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      • yurimylove says:

        “shows where there are legitimate male love interests, but the girls still choose each other. Isn’t that one of the biggest ways to show that yuri “wins”?”

        Wise words, cirno9fan! I’m surprised not more in the yuri fandom gets this. I love sweet, innocent, “pure yuri” shows as much as the next guy, but it’s by no means the only type of yuri shows i like, or that i think “pure yuri” is the only legitimate yuri.

        And i really don’t care how others view me as a yuri fan, or why people get so uptight about “oh this show makes us yuri fans look bad”. I like yuri just because, i don’t need to defend or justify myself for liking it, period.

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      • YayaSamuko says:

        “shows where there are legitimate male love
        interests, but the girls still choose each other.
        Isn’t that one of the biggest ways to show that
        yuri “wins”?”

        That is one thing. But girl cheating behind her abusive boyfriend is total crap (Sorry for the language). She is having sex with everything for God’s sake, be it because she wants it or not.

        As I’ve already said at Yuri Reviews and More, I have a very bad feeling about how this show will end. This, my friend will have a bad end for us, no matter how “realistic” you think this is.

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  9. LiteraryOtakuGamerGirlT says:

    Somehow I feel like the show is still getting flamed with certain comments despite the point of this post, which feels a bit counter intuitive to me, but I think I’ll refrain from saying more lest I get flamed myself…

    Anyway, thanks for making this post OG, one more of many reasons I respect you greatly.

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    • OG-Man says:

      Unsurprising. All I can do around here is pay attention when somebody’s going too far with their flaming and take action. Otherwise, as you said, it’s best to let it be.

      I do my best Doc.

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  10. Shinryu says:

    While I do think there are elements in the NTR anime to call out as lacking, I’m really not sure that the characters and story are one of them. You can certainly dislike them, be bothered by them, be disgusted by them, etc. but they’re not really bad, they’re just not your cup of tea. NTR as a property does exactly what it wants to do, and overall it does it pretty well. It’s not my favourite yuri by a long shot but I absolutely respect what it’s doing and, barring some unforeseen stupidity, will be with it until the end. Some people just have issues with the rather obvious distinction between “I don’t like it” and “it’s bad.”

    Anyway, I think part of the issue that people have starts with the name. The actual property has very little if anything at all to do with “NTR” as it is popularly known so a lot of people go in with skewed expectations (if they even bother to watch/read at all).

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    • YayaSamuko says:

      You do have a point. After all, there is that law: “don’t like equal don’t watch”.

      However, most of the people who flame this are believing that this show is killing our fandom. It will only destroy the little good we had to other non-yuri fans. They will just end up thinking that yuri is a sub-hentai genre where two women do shady things behind their husband’s back.

      It hurts me to admit it but we are digging our own grave by liking it. I mean the perverts will only enjoy it and the NTR category will become popular and more appealing. When that day will come, the real meaning of “yuri” will be destroyed.

      That’s all I have to say. I respect the other’s opinion but we should all do what is best for our fandom.

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      • automaticimperfection says:

        Hi stranger, I doubt liking a single show will kill any fandom or bring bad name to yuri, lesbians like me have existed for ages and some people still think weird things about us, despite the L word. (I am kidding right there) if I like OITNB then would everyone think we lesbians do criminal things and end up in jail? Most likely not, and those who think that, have thought it before so it’s pointless.

        I want to make it clear, I do NOT like this anime, not cos of the cheating but cos I don’t like things too complicated (ah but I like Citrus so ,seriously wth?) or yes, when it involves boys but still, this won’t affect fandom methinks!

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      • OG-Man says:

        What I’m thankful for is that diehard/purist yuri fans are not as bad as, for example, Sonic the Hedgehog fans have been up until Generations and Mania when it comes to not getting what they want or their response to a show they disapprove of.

        Honestly I’m tired of being polite.

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      • automaticimperfection says:

        Ups, my long reply was for Yaya, I’m supposed to be working so I didn’t write properly!

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      • YayaSamuko says:

        automaticimperfection > I do doubt your theory. According to my math, this show has caused as much trouble as all the previous “Yuri bait shows”. The non-Yuri fans who just happened to watch it even get a worse image of us, thinking that all lesbians act like these two idiots.

        Just look at the movie Twilight! It totally gave a very bad image of vampires, humans and werewoves.

        What I’m saying that I would have let that anime slide if it didn’t affect the fandom that much. I am just saying that several DVD shop in my country are actually selling it as to tell people that homosexuality is worse. I just happened to go downtown and in other regions and they are all selling it as a tool to stop lesbianism.

        Liking it will dig our own grave. I won’t change my mind.

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  11. Platon says:

    People judge people, unfortunately, I try not to do it, but I would say that every one of us has the habit to judge time to time based on their likes or dislikes. It is wrong, excluding extreme cases. But telling that someone likes cheating based on being a fan of this show, it is like saying that I like a human flesh, when I enjoy the Hannibal series. I would say, those of us who likes anime are judged in western society as wierd, most of the people usually imagine hentai or kids shows, if you say you like an yuri anime, it is even worse. I would say we already have little bit harder whit what we like, why the heck we need to do it even worse for ourselfs.

    Sorry for my english, not my first language.

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  12. Pozapie says:

    I agree with you, OGman! It’s weird that people are particularly up in arms about the “cheating” angle, seeing as it’s been used since the dawn of time, in the very wide romance entertainment sector. I guess when it’s general non-Yuri cheating, and geared towards their respective genre (BxG/GxB), people suddenly find it more acceptable and not a problem. I admit to sometimes being guilty of this frame of thinking, which makes it a good introspection.

    Talking about critics, one of the most hypocritical critics I’ve ever come across is the nasty Okazu blogger. The blogger was blisteringly angry and all hating on the creators of NTR Trap, when she is even worse. Apparently, big violence, rape hentai, Yuri characters dying, bait & switch is all okay as long as the character is not “moe”. Once the character is attractive or “moe”, suddenly, it’s “male-gaze”, trash, and all kinds of nonsensical bashing. She even accused our beloved fluffy Sona Hanabira series as being “pedo”, but rape Yuri is okay, because the character looks “nicely not moe”.

    If she had a chance, she would delete all Girls cast/Girls club fuzzy/warm shows, because it does not fit into what she thinks Yuri should be, because she is so entitled that she thinks she owns the whole entire Yuri genre, that no one else can have anything she does not want, most especially if you are male Yuri fan. Plus she has never contributed a thing to the Yuri fandom, beyond asking people to give her money. Everyone will do well to avoid such an asshat.

    On a finishing note, I think NTR Trap could do with slightly longer episodes, bringing out more sparkling and lucrative scenes. I’m so on my toes, awaiting each episode!

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    • OG-Man says:

      You know what I find amusing, NTR is not the first yuri show, comic or movie to use this premise. Most of the time the default number is 3. NTR is one of the few series that went for 4. A lot of people didn’t answer in kind to the number 4…as you have noticed…

      From my many years as part of the Yuri Nation I have noticed that yuri bloggers are, shall we say…differentiated. Let me put it this way, for most bloggers the one thing we have in common is that we like yuri. Otherwise most of us communicate yuri to the masses in vastly different ways. There are some who have a mutual understanding of yuri goodness whereas others such as Okazu Yuricon I stay out of their way.

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      • YayaSamuko says:

        The 3 people NTR you are talking about is already breaking our image enough. Making it 4 will only get thing worse.

        As another point most people do hate cheating, even straight ones. The majority might be okay with it, but there are actually lot of people who’d rather watch non-guilty shows.

        We all have different point of view but I kind of can understand what that blogger meant. Most yuri anime and manga nowadays are just bait and switch to get more audience into the ecchi and harem fandoms. Think about it, most Girl’s club shows are appreciated by harem fans because of an obvious reason. Take a look at Love Live, K-on and co.

        There was that time I once wrote a review (top 5 best anime) and I had difficulty picking them because most yuri anime are either the “it’s just practice, it’s fine” or the “i will stay by your side until we graduate (but will find a man at college)” or the “one of them died and the other one screwed her life” or even worse; “girl A never revealed her feelings to girl B. Then girl B got married and girl A turns insane.”

        What a pain.

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  13. How bizarre. I guess I’m glad I haven’t been engaging in the comments on those episode reviews, I was just laughing at the silly names lol. Personally, I’m just going to play the “it’s fiction, get over yourself” card. I personally like Yuri NTR. Get rekt, Takeda! Obviously, if it was real life it’d be different, but in anime? Hell yah, get Stupid Idiot and Sexy Devil together. Just saying!

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  14. Mauron says:

    My biggest complaint with the series was that it took a few episodes to establish that Yuma was definitely interested in Hotaru, and not going along with this because she doesn’t feel comfortable enough to say no. We’re well past that part now, fortunately.

    While I don’t particularly care for the NTR aspect of the series, I mostly ignore it, kinda like Hotaru does.

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  15. So some people think that liking NTR makes someone a fan of cheating? Using that logic everyone who enjoys Games of Thrones is seriously messed up.

    I agree that insulting someone for what entertainment they like is lame. That said, I reserve the right to still mock Twilight lovers 😉

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  16. mihomaho says:

    Ntr hate it. Not because the cheating, I just no want boys in yuri. So people like it? I dont care, I only like to discuss the show I like.
    The show is controversial for yuri purist, obviously so you should already expect the insults. Telling people to stop insulting people won’t work.

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  17. yurimylove says:

    well I’ve waited for “pure yuri” anime long enough… but I don’t see any new season of Marimite or strawberry panic coming do you?

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  18. automaticimperfection says:

    Respect man! Biphobia is strong with this anime eh and other works of manga as well, I personally used to rush into conclusions about how someone would be “more likely to cheat” until I grew up and realized that’s really personal, it does not depend on the person’s orientation, lesbians do cheat , so do straight people and you know, it’s silly to attach such ideas to someone just because of what they like or don’t like.

    I like it when you get all serious and yes, the anime and manga clearly state it’s not a fluffy yuri dream type of art. I personally, don’t feel like watching or reading anything about it, but also don’t go and say bad things cos that achieves nothing more than looking like a mopehead who is closed and dull!

    Best regards!

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    • OG-Man says:

      Thanks. It’s good to know my efforts writing this post weren’t entirely in vain as there are a small few here who got the message.

      It’s fine that you don’t want to check out the show. It’s better than “Oh. I didn’t like what I saw in the premiere but I’m gonna keep watching anyway because YURI”. Doesn’t always work that way as you’ve noticed here.

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  19. Gotta admit, I used to look down upon the manga, based on the things I’ve read people saying about it (or more precisely, about what the story was about. I haven’t bashed anyone liking it though) and couldn’t get why anyone would like something like this. That is, until I’ve read your posts about it during the anime announcements a couple of months back. Although I’m still steering clear of it (not my type of yuri genre tbh), now I understand why one would watch it and I’m honestly glad that you and others get enjoyment out of it. 🙂

    And those people who actually spend their free time bashing on others who dare to like it, really should get a hobby. Or more importantly, learn that just because other people like something that they don’t, that’s not an attack on them personally. Man, times like this I regret a bit that I didn’t major in psychology, this general theme would make an interesting doctoral thesis.

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    • YayaSamuko says:

      I do agree with you. We need psychologists here.

      Honestly, I am tired of all these arguments. No one ever read the other’s comment until the end and just give their own opinions.

      I never found this anime that appealing but the problem is that homophobic people does like to spread it as to destroy our fandom.

      I live and breathe for the Yuri genre to get a better reputation but what can a small and poor soul do against lot of powerful and strong army.

      “Does a small and poor country really have a chance against such massive and large empire?” – Ortfiné, 2017 (my favorite quote of the year by the way 😀 )

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